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It’s times like these that I want to stop these Game8 posts. I don’t know what’s worse: that they would misevaluate Pandora at A+ or that they’d so easily retract their original opinion and move her to S.

To clarify, whether they’re right or wrong with this change is irrelevant because, yes, opinions are opinions. What I want from any source is a certain level of assurance that their opinion is well researched and reflects their best effort was put forth to develop said opinion. Releasing an opinion the same day of a card’s release then revising it a couple days later does not inspire confidence in their opinion. It smells of them making a knee-jerk opinion then following it up with another one. What actually happened here is irrelevant because not only will we never know, it’s the appearances that matter because it affects how I perceive all of their opinions. Game8 has had a dubious reputation for a while now, but something like this particularly disappoints me. Who’s to say that this new grade was well researched? Who’s to say any of their opinions are well researched? Well, this may just be me making a mountain out of a molehill, but these Game8 posts have been questionable for a while so I’ll take any excuse to end them.

Anyone have some suggestions for other tier lists? I’ve been kinda following GameWith and they seem okay, but they don’t seem to update very often. I know there were some other sites, but I never bookmarked them. I guess in the end they’re all basically the same.

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It’s no surprise that Pandora made the leader list, especially since she appears to be similar to Lucifer at first glance, but the real question is why is she ranked lower than him?

It also appears that they aren’t going to make any drastic changes regarding Arena 2. Which is fine, but considering they used to stress the endgame so much it seems a bit strange. It should be interesting to see how skill transfer affects their list.

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Doesn’t look like they made any Arena 2-related changes, which is a bit disappointing.

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Sounds about right.

Instead of bashing the list as usual, let’s speculate who could get some love with the release of Arena 2.

	Delays have always been good in the Arena — particularly against Parvati and Sopdet — and they’re also good against two of the biggest new hurdles: the PreDras and Vishnu (too bad delays don’t work against Ilsix). He’s more relevant than other delays since his four turns gives you the time you need to combat bad RNG. His biggest downside, which will probably keep him from rising higher, is the lack of a skill bind resist. I’d be surprised if Orochi doesn’t make the next sub list at A+. Perhaps he’s too niche for Game8’s list, but his newfound value shouldn’t be ignored.
	Lucifer’s true damage is one of the best ways for dark teams to deal with the PreDras without sacrificing too much else. The power of his god killer should not be overlooked, either. As a leader, I don’t think he’ll make SS, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see SS go away soon; Lucifer should remain in S if it does. I don’t think Lucifer is an auto-include in the sub list — A+ is a pretty high bar now — but if Yomi Dragon retains its Arena throne, Lucifer will probably be a part of it.
	It’s a wonder how she wasn’t high on the sub list before, but now that’s she’s almost required to give Yomi Dragon the requisite damage in the Arena 2, I don’t think Game8 can snub her anymore. Her orb change also allows the team to drop Haku for more utility, like Lucifer and a gravity, since she can take care of gimmicks like Beelzebub’s full poison while providing sufficient burst. Her relatively high HP is also a big deal.
	I doubt Neptune Dragon will make the sub list, but it’s worth noting that BSonia and Ryune-I&I teams are relying on him to get past the PreDras. I’d expect Awoken Meimei is a good reason, too.
	This is another speculation that won’t make the list, but any previously marginal sub with dark resists will get a second look as the necessary defense to survive DQ Hera’s preemptive has gone up considerably.
	As much I’ve hated on Kanna in the past, her damage may be needed more now than ever. As teams use sub-optimal subs to handle the various hurdles, something like Kanna can help make up the lost damage while also providing a relevant boost on the Kalis. It wouldn’t surprise me to see her as an A+ sub again in the future.
	It seems unlikely this will ever make it, but if it does I’ll be really, really sad.

And that’s all I care to go over for now. Feel free to let me know your own suggestions in the comments.