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Changes from 2/1: Awoken Pandora A+→S
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Changes from 2/1: None.
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It’s times like these that I want to stop these Game8 posts. I don’t know what’s worse: that they would misevaluate Pandora at A+ or that they’d so easily retract their original opinion and move her to S.
To clarify, whether they’re right or wrong with this change is irrelevant because, yes, opinions are opinions. What I want from any source is a certain level of assurance that their opinion is well researched and reflects their best effort was put forth to develop said opinion. Releasing an opinion the same day of a card’s release then revising it a couple days later does not inspire confidence in their opinion. It smells of them making a knee-jerk opinion then following it up with another one. What actually happened here is irrelevant because not only will we never know, it’s the appearances that matter because it affects how I perceive all of their opinions. Game8 has had a dubious reputation for a while now, but something like this particularly disappoints me. Who’s to say that this new grade was well researched? Who’s to say any of their opinions are well researched? Well, this may just be me making a mountain out of a molehill, but these Game8 posts have been questionable for a while so I’ll take any excuse to end them.
Anyone have some suggestions for other tier lists? I’ve been kinda following GameWith and they seem okay, but they don’t seem to update very often. I know there were some other sites, but I never bookmarked them. I guess in the end they’re all basically the same.
Changes from 1/27: Awoken Pandora debuts at A+
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Changes from 1/27: None. Cao Cao still not appearing at A+, removing him until they add him back (if ever). 2/2: Pandora added to A+
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The Game8 list
It’s no surprise that Pandora made the leader list, especially since she appears to be similar to Lucifer at first glance, but the real question is why is she ranked lower than him?
It also appears that they aren’t going to make any drastic changes regarding Arena 2. Which is fine, but considering they used to stress the endgame so much it seems a bit strange. It should be interesting to see how skill transfer affects their list.
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Changes from 1/13: Some fire dude added to A
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Changes from 1/13: Cao Cao S→A+ (allegedly), Sanada Yukimura added to S, Eschamali added to S, Akechi Mitsuhide added to S
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Doesn’t look like they made any Arena 2-related changes, which is a bit disappointing.
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Changes from 1/7: Astaroth S→A+
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Changes from 1/7: None | The new MP Dragon Ragnarok is still an A+ sub, but there’s no official icon for it yet.
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Sounds about right.
Instead of bashing the list as usual, let’s speculate who could get some love with the release of Arena 2.
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Delays have always been good in the Arena — particularly against Parvati and Sopdet — and they’re also good against two of the biggest new hurdles: the PreDras and Vishnu (too bad delays don’t work against Ilsix). He’s more relevant than other delays since his four turns gives you the time you need to combat bad RNG. His biggest downside, which will probably keep him from rising higher, is the lack of a skill bind resist. I’d be surprised if Orochi doesn’t make the next sub list at A+. Perhaps he’s too niche for Game8’s list, but his newfound value shouldn’t be ignored. |
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Lucifer’s true damage is one of the best ways for dark teams to deal with the PreDras without sacrificing too much else. The power of his god killer should not be overlooked, either. As a leader, I don’t think he’ll make SS, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see SS go away soon; Lucifer should remain in S if it does. I don’t think Lucifer is an auto-include in the sub list — A+ is a pretty high bar now — but if Yomi Dragon retains its Arena throne, Lucifer will probably be a part of it. |
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It’s a wonder how she wasn’t high on the sub list before, but now that’s she’s almost required to give Yomi Dragon the requisite damage in the Arena 2, I don’t think Game8 can snub her anymore. Her orb change also allows the team to drop Haku for more utility, like Lucifer and a gravity, since she can take care of gimmicks like Beelzebub’s full poison while providing sufficient burst. Her relatively high HP is also a big deal. |
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I doubt Neptune Dragon will make the sub list, but it’s worth noting that BSonia and Ryune-I&I teams are relying on him to get past the PreDras. I’d expect Awoken Meimei is a good reason, too. |
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This is another speculation that won’t make the list, but any previously marginal sub with dark resists will get a second look as the necessary defense to survive DQ Hera’s preemptive has gone up considerably. |
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As much I’ve hated on Kanna in the past, her damage may be needed more now than ever. As teams use sub-optimal subs to handle the various hurdles, something like Kanna can help make up the lost damage while also providing a relevant boost on the Kalis. It wouldn’t surprise me to see her as an A+ sub again in the future. |
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It seems unlikely this will ever make it, but if it does I’ll be really, really sad. |
And that’s all I care to go over for now. Feel free to let me know your own suggestions in the comments.
Changes from 1/4: Freyr added as pair for Raoh, Parvati A+→A, A-tier completely revamped: Ilm added, Kanna added, Juggler added, HKali added, RKali added, Eschamali added, New Year’s Amaterasu added, New Year’s Kanna added, Vegito removed, Sarasvati removed, Osiris removed, Rinshia removed, Hathor removed, Zaerog∞ removed
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Changes from 1/4: A+ revamp: DMeta A→A+, Leilan A→A+, Karin A→A+, Amaterasu A→A+, Artemis A→A+, Phoenix Rider removed, Christmas Liu Bei removed, Baggi removed, Liu Bei removed, Kanna removed, Zaerog∞ removed, Eschamali removed, A-tier removed: Sanada, Set, Kagutsuchi, Andromeda, Orochi, Famiel, BSnnia, Verdandi, Kaede, Astaroth, GSonia, Ilm, Ariel, Indra, Izanagi, Summer Pandora, Zuoh, Pandora, Akechi all removed | The new MP Dragon Ragnarok debuts as an A+ sub, but there’s no official icon for it yet.
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So, this is a pretty substantial update to their tier list. Not only are the tiers now synced with their site’s actual monster ratings instead of “just eyeballing it”, there is now a panel of three writers that give reasons for the grade, although from what I can tell their explanations don’t really tell us that much. The weakness of my Japanese — and Google’s, for that matter — will become even more apparent. It’d probably be a good idea to get someone fluent to actually help me with these posts now, but that feels like it’d just be a flat out pain in the ass for both of us.
SS-tier is added to the sub list and the A-tier is removed. I’m not entirely sure why they had to add SS, but whatever floats their boat. There are some things I don’t necessarily agree with (Eschamali omitted, Artemis included, Cao Cao and Satsuki still at S), but the list looks better than it used to (cya, Liu Bei). I’ll still say sub lists are rather pointless, though, since what subs are good for a particular lead or leads is the important thing, not how good they are relative to each other with no context.
The leader list, however, finally got rid of that horrible game of musical chairs at A and is much better for it. While some entries may be questionable, I don’t have any huge problems with the new list. If it wasn’t obvious before, it’s now easy to see that light and dark are totally dominating the game now that token leaders from each element are no longer cluttering A.
Considering they just changed the format and I’m still debating what I want to do with this post series, I’ll once again pass on discussing the specifics until a later time.
Changes from 12/29: Ra S→A+, Astaroth A+→S, Archdemon Lucifer A+→S
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Changes from 12/29: None
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Keeping this quick, but I may add to it later. I never expected Ra to get booted out of S. Is he really worse than the rest of the new S-tier? I also never expected Astaroth or Lucifer to make it to S. I was already planning on making teams for them, but now I’m even more intrigued. I definitely plan on doing some research once I get back home.
Changes from 12/24: Archdemon Lucifer debuts at A+, Levi A+→A, New Year’s Horus debuts at A, Goemon removed, Eschamali removed
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Changes from 12/24: Vishnu S→A+, Head Rococo S→A+, HKali S→A+, DMeta added to A
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No comments this time, just documenting the changes. I’ll gladly respond to any comments, though.
Changes from 12/11: Lakshmi added to A+, Gon A+→A, Parvati added to A+, Astaroth A→A+, Ilm removed, Cloud removed, Juggler removed, Typhon A+→A, HKali removed, Goemon added to A, Scarlet removed, Rinshia debuts at A, LKali removed, Kanna removed
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Changes from 12/11: Head Rococo A→S (not removed from A for some reason)
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I haven’t really been keeping up with the PAD meta lately due to Christmas stuff, so I’m going to keep this one very short. Which is somewhat unfortunate because there were many juicy changes
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Changes from 11/29: Lakshmi removed, Eschamali debuts at A
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Changes from 11/29: Kagutsuchi A+→A, Christmas Liu Bei debuts at A+, Eschamali debuts at A+, Sanada Yukimura added to A, Belial removed, Skuld removed, Perseus removed, Astaroth added to A
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There’s a lot to cover in PAD right now, both in-game and for this blog, so I’m going to keep my comments on this even shorter than usual.
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Changes from 11/29: BSonia debuts at A+
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Changes from 11/29: Okuninushi added to S, Sylvie debuts at A+, Belial debuts at A, Urd removed, BSonia debuts at A, GSonia debuts at A, GZL removed, Ilm added to A, Apollo removed, Lumiel removed
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Apparently, Game8 approved of the last round of uevos.
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